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« on: April 09, 2008, 15:48:05 »
Ventolin *
Posts: 46

I thought one of the primary goals of monowall was to stay really really tiny (less than 8MB) but now it has grown past that point.  I don't suppose there's any hope for anyone stuck with 8MB flash spaces?
« Reply #1 on: April 09, 2008, 21:26:50 »
ChainSaw
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Have you checked the price of a 250 MB CF card lately?
Do you really want to loose vital features and security updates so you can keep your old 8 MB memory card?

If the answer to the second question is Yes, then stick with an older version that will fit on your 8 MB card.

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« Reply #2 on: April 15, 2008, 20:32:12 »
Ventolin *
Posts: 46

yeah, that's fair, the thing is, just about 4 months ago or so....I got monowall onto the on-board flash of a Firebox II (which was surprisingly difficult considering I didn't have half of the stuff I needed to do it right, for example, a CF card from which to work from)

I would have liked to have kept using the onboard flash, but I guess it's just not an option. =/

« Reply #3 on: May 05, 2008, 03:32:51 »
linuxcat *
Posts: 4

Do you really want to loose vital features and security updates so you can keep your old 8 MB memory card?

It is not so much that I do not want security updates, so much as there is no easy upgrade path.  I have larger Compact Flash cards lying around but the m0n0wall Handbook still says:

1.4.2. Specifications
  The m0n0wall system currently takes up less than 5 MB on a Compact
  Flash card or CD-ROM.

3.3.2. Preparing a CompactFlash or IDE Hard Disk
  Write the image to a sufficiently large CF card or disk (at least 5
  MB). Extra space on the CF card or disk is ignored; there is no
  benefit to using one larger than the image size.

From that it looks like m0n0wall will just barely not fit on a 4M card and it specificially says there is no benefit to using a larger card.  It would be nice if there was a clear upgrade path to move from a smaller card to a larger card.  It would be wonderful if there was a set of commands that I could feed to exec.php and end up with a backup image of the card.  Better yet would be a backup script that could generate a compressed image file from the running m0n0wall installation.  Maybe one that uses header() to give a backup filename with the date embedded.  The problem, as I understand it, is that the raw flash device is not available once m0n0wall has booted.

I have edited the captive portal and added new images.  If I start with a new flash I will have to upload the files again.  They seem to be persistent when I do an upgrade through the web interface.  I would also have to connect a keyboard and monitor to get 1 of the network cards working in order to upload a backup of the config file.

I do not have a working flash writer.  I have one built into my printer that physdiskwrite sees.  I used physdiskwrite and I did not get any errors but the result was not bootable.  Using what I had on hand I:
installed slackware
swapped the cd for an cf -> ide adapter
put the m0n0wall image on the cf card
removed the slackware hd and moved the adapter
m0n0wall booted fine

To upgrade to 1.3 I am planning on doing the following:
putting the cf -> ide adapter into an external hard drive enclosure
shutting down the running firewall and putting it in the external enclosure
dd the image to a file on my PC
swap the 8M flash for a 64M flash
dd the image file to the 64M card
see if the new card boots

Being able to make a backup image from my running m0n0wall install would be wonderful.  I expect that having automated backup scripts that could archive the images every so often and the configs more often could be useful if possible.  I am sure there would be a way for a built-in image creator to make the images as small as possible, while my dd backup will only work for me since I am going to a larger flash card.

On a side note, http://m0n0.ch/wall/beta.php says that 1.3b11 must be installed on 16MB or larger flash card.  I am under the impression that the same is true of 1.3b10 since it used to have such a warning.  I think that removing that warning from 1.3b10 and any other version that will not fit on the still suggested 8M flash was a mistake.  Since 1.3b7 is the suggested upgrade path, I expect that 1.3b8 was the first that would not fit on the 8M card.
« Reply #4 on: May 05, 2008, 19:42:32 »
Fred Grayson *****
Posts: 994

1.3b8 was not the first to no longer fit on 8MB CF cards. The release announcement for 1.3b1 (12/16/2006) included this statement:

"WARNING: the generic-pc image no longer fits on 8 MB CF cards! (>= 10 MB required)"





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« Reply #5 on: May 06, 2008, 03:59:50 »
dnn *
Posts: 19

1.3b8 was not the first to no longer fit on 8MB CF cards. The release announcement for 1.3b1 (12/16/2006) included this statement:

"WARNING: the generic-pc image no longer fits on 8 MB CF cards! (>= 10 MB required)"

You say it: the generic-pc image!
Linuxcat mentioned that all imagetypes no longer fits on 8MB CF cards.
 
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